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Cannabis Embarrassment At The Home Office

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The re-scheduling of Sativex, the cannabis tincture marketed by GW Pharmaceuticals is causing huge embarrassment at the Home  Office.

Everybody’s been able to go along with the white lie up to now that Sativex is some sort of highly complex, super scientific, super medicine containing cannabinoids. True enough, GW Pharma has put millions into development and testing in order to jump through the hoops the government has demanded.  At the end of the day though, all Sativex consists of is a tincture, an alcohol extract of herbal cannabis.  It’s made simply by gently heating a blend of herbal cannabis in ethanol and then adding a little peppermint oil to taste.

An Honourable Man?

The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has approved Sativex for the treatment of muscle spasticity in MS.  I understand that an approval for the treatment of cancer pain is expected shortly.  The problem for the Home Office is that Sativex now has to be re-scheduled under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971.   Cannabis is presently in schedule one as having no medicinal value.  The Advisory Council on the Misuse of  Drugs (ACMD) has recommended this week that Sativex be in schedule four, alongside  a variety of minor tranquilisers.  However, as the ACMD says, “it will not be appropriate to refer to “Sativex”, which is a proprietary name, in any amendment to the misuse of drugs regulations, and that a suitable description of the relevant component(s) of “Sativex” will have to be scheduled.”

This is going to be tough for James Brokenshire to face up to.  GW specifies that Sativex contains approximately equal proportions of THC and CBD but that’s not the whole truth.  It also contains as many as 400 other chemical compounds which occur naturally in the plant including at least 85 cannabinoids (nobody is exactly sure how many cannabinoids there are or their effects).  You see there’s not really any other accurate way of describing Sativex except to call it cannabis.  So how can Mr Brokenshire possibly move it to schedule four?  He endlessly repeats the propaganda that “there are no medicinal benefits in cannabis”.

Either Mr Brokenshire has to come clean and accept that his past position was incorrect or he has to promote some further deception.

I trust he will prove to be an honourable man.

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  1. http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/drugs/acmd1/sativex-letter?view=Binary

    Letter from Les Iverson to Brokenshire on this very subject.

    Derek

    January 18, 2011 at 10:18 pm

  2. Well let’s see what happens – I forsee an anti cannabis media frenzy occuring as some government propaganda is “leaked” to them by accident.

    I’ll be checking the Daily Fail website daily….

    Mr Bimble

    January 18, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    • Killer skunk kills your children!!!!!

      Ed

      January 19, 2011 at 8:46 am

      • Get educated ED

        Luke Benn

        November 6, 2011 at 10:36 am

  3. Call me a cynic Peter but I reckon they’ll find a way to have their cake and eat it.

    Ed

    January 18, 2011 at 10:55 pm

  4. […] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Shaun Hankey. Shaun Hankey said: Cannabis Embarrassment At The Home Office: http://t.co/7Oynh81 – worth a read! Problem with lying is you have to keep telling more & more! […]

  5. brokenshire will indeed find it tough. It wont stop him tho. Just like MrBrimble said, brace yourselves for some refeer madness in the news

    Dump_pharma

    January 19, 2011 at 6:51 am

  6. Watching with pleasure from New Zealand!! How he handles it will be an example for our ningnongs in power.

    Paula

    January 19, 2011 at 7:45 am

    • Kia Ora Paula!

      My partner is a kiwi and we’re planning to move there in five years or so. How is the anti prohibition effort going there?

      Ed

      Ed

      January 19, 2011 at 8:45 am

  7. Confusing, for a lobby that say’s it is “proven” all these things with facts, could you tell us what is the correct one then? Both written by your good self in regard to Savitex.

    “What GW doesn’t tell you that it also contains all the other 60 cannabinoids found in the plant, each of which has its own mechanism of action and effect.”

    “GW specifies that Sativex contains approximately equal proportions of THC and CBD but that’s not the whole truth. It also contains as many as 400 other cannabinoids which occur naturally in the plant (nobody is exactly sure how many cannabinoids there are and what their effects are)

    David

    January 19, 2011 at 8:34 am

    • Your comment quite properly questions the accuracy of my words. I have therefore revised the text accordingly. Thank you.

      Peter Reynolds

      January 19, 2011 at 8:57 am

      • Thanks, was a bit confused by it.

        David

        January 19, 2011 at 9:08 am

  8. This will be very interesting indeed, they are probably working it out with their legal advisors now. All we need to do is start dunking our buds in a glass of GIN and we have a legal product. :-/ lol

    Joking aside.. I am so intruiged as to how they choose to handle this..???

    Pistils@dawn

    January 19, 2011 at 9:48 am

  9. “White lie”? Not sure I quite agree with you on that one, to me that generally means something harmless or for the greater good!

    Interesting post though, looking forward to seeing what happens here. (Great blog by the way you keep moving higher up my list of websites I visit regularly, always disappointed when I look in the morning and there isn’t a new post from you!)

    AlexM

    January 19, 2011 at 11:27 am

    • Thank you Alex. I call it a “white lie” because it’s only by pretending that Sativex is something it isn’t that GW has been able to bring the benefits of cannabis therapy to market. GW is one of the good guys and Sativex is a trojan horse.

      Peter Reynolds

      January 19, 2011 at 11:58 am

      • Gotcha, that makes sense.

        AlexM

        January 20, 2011 at 2:47 pm

      • @Peter you are right GW had done more good than harm! Yea Sativex is a trojan horse, now we will see what else is in there!
        Good Job GW for ending CANNABIS PROHIBITION!!!!!1

        richard brumfield

        January 23, 2011 at 7:30 am

  10. I have brought this matter of sativex having many more active constituents than mentioned in the SPC to both Gw Parma and the MHRA. So far without formal response as to any consideration of alteration!!

    Malcolm VandenBurg

    January 19, 2011 at 11:50 am

    • Thank you Malcolm. The problem is that the truth about Sativex reveals the lies, deception and propaganda about cannabis which the government and Big Pharma has been promulgating for so long.

      Peter Reynolds

      January 19, 2011 at 12:25 pm

  11. In conversation with Dan Quaintance of the Church of Cognizance that believes marijuana is a receptor to God back in the day before the Enlightened Cognisenti Dan and Mary’s arrest for transporting over 100 lbs of cannabis in New Mexico, “I read the patent on Sativex. GW Pharma got a license to operate a grow by including ethyl glycol in the mix.” In reply this ignorant man on the telephone responded, “I don’t get it.” And was informed, “Ethyl glycol is anti freeze. The Germans added a poison. They couldn’t get a drug patent on a natural substance. So, they added a poison to get a license.” As the light dawned in this bewildered mind that prophet drove home the point, “the Germans added a poison to medicine and now have been granted the only license in Great Britain to operate a legal grow issued by the Queen!”

    • Look “Reverend”, I’ve told you before, Sativex doesn’t contain ethyl glycol. It contains ethanol.

      You’re entitled to your own religious beliefs however wacky they are but please, no proselytising here. I’ve got enough on my plate fighting Brokenshire’s lies without having to worry about whether it’s the CB1 or CB2 receptors that are wired for God.

      Anyway, Jimi Hendrix died in 1970 though he lives on in his music and Carlos Santana continues his good deeds.

      Peter Reynolds

      January 19, 2011 at 2:08 pm

      • Just a quote to relate an observation from an interested party that is not able to speak for themselves is on point in the related. A rant on religion is mindlessly overboard in response. Yours truly related here a post for a comment in a quest for a truth not found. So tell us: Is ethyl glycol added to the natural mix? Yes or No. Dan and Mary Quaintance are in a federal prison in the United States and I’ve never examined the patent. Have you? Did Dan Quantance tell me a lie? Are you ignorant of what is truly in Sativex? Is the Right Reverend right in believing Dan Quantance?

      • Peter Reynolds, “Look “Reverend”, I’ve told you before, Sativex doesn’t contain ethyl glycol. It contains ethanol.” Am I missing something here? When or how did we ever meet in the past? When or how did you ever tell me this in the past? I don’t recall hearing this before. I don’t recall hearing from you or about you before this morning in reading your article. I posted a comment and enjoyed the music.

      • You made the same comment here Reverend on 20th December last year.

        https://peterreynolds.wordpress.com/2010/10/19/the-truth-about-sativex/#comments

        You then went on to accuse me of being a “pusher” of “snake oil”!

        Anyway, best wishes to you and your congregation. I must pop by for communion one day.

        Peter Reynolds

        January 19, 2011 at 3:04 pm

      • How many times do I have to say it Rev?

        NO!

        No disrespect intended to you at all. Sativex is a cannabis tincture – an alcohol extract.

        Peter Reynolds

        January 19, 2011 at 2:59 pm

      • Peter, I do appreciate your keeping up with my previous post. I considered that a post was made somewhere on this but failed to keep track. However, your statement to my previous relating the story in the life of Dan Quintance as, “Well I think it’s ethanol not ethyl glycol but I wouldn’t want accuracy to stand in the way of a good story!” on https://peterreynolds.wordpress.com/2010/10/19/the-truth-about-sativex/#comments is off point.

        “I think” differs from I know where you now claim to have TOLD me before, don’t you know? What is attempted here is to determine whether or not you know what is in Sativex. I don’t think you do. I stay with Dan Quintance on this issue. He told me on the telephone that GW Pharma was given a Patent based upon the fact that ethyl glycol (POISON) is in the mix. There was a huge court drama and huge licensing fees paid and the record is available for a truly inquiring mind. That man of religion told me he read those documents. You have never made that claim. Therefore, you DO NOT KNOW what is in Sativex. You can’t really tell anybody anything for certain.

        Peter you then ignored that point and went on to say, “I wish I understood what you mean. I’m not “pushing” anything. I’m simply trying to reveal the truth about Sativex which has been cloaked in a pharmaceutical mystique, understandably, in order to circumvent the irrational prejudice around cannabis. Please explain yourself?”

        And in my ignorance, I failed to keep up with this story and failed to respond. Well now I am back. And here is your answer.

        Peter, you responded to Jayelle Farmer
        Founder & Coordinator
        Pro-Legislate Cannabis UK http://www.prolegcannabis.com/
        Legalise Cannabis International http://www.legaliseinternational.com/

        “We now have Sativex. Before there was nothing. That is progress – not perhaps as it suits you but it is real, tangible progress. You have to face the fact that GW has been much, much more successful than you in advancing the cause. Frankly “the interests of the general cannabis community ”are trivial and selfish compared to the needs of medicinal users.”

        My response then was in identifying your pushing the interests or “snake oil” of a German corporation with a license to grow cannabis sativa in England over the freedom loving interests of the native population of England and this corporate claim of property interest in the Divine appalling. That people are going to prison everyday and having their lives ruined by these draconian cannabis laws is hardly “trivial”. This stinks to high heaven. And since you have seen fit to make a “communion” crack, I’ll take this opportunity to proclaim just how high this cannabis prohibition stinks from out of the Word:

        In Jeremiah,
        For the breaking of the daughter of My people am I broken; I am blackened; desolation has held me firmly. Is there no balsamic resin [dronabinal (USAN) or SATIVEX] in Gilead? Is there no physician there? Why has not the healing of the daughter of my people arisen? viii. 21, 22.

        In the same prophet,
        Go up to Gilead to take resin [dronabinal (USAN) or SATIVEX], O virgin daughter of Egypt! In vain you have multiplied medicaments; there is no healing for you. The nations have heard of thy disgrace, and thy clamor has filled the land; for the mighty man has stumbled against the mighty, and they are fallen both together. xlvi. 11, 12.

        In the same prophet,
        Suddenly Babel has fallen and been broken; wail over her! Take resin [dronabinal (USAN) or SATIVEX] for her pain; perhaps she will be healed. We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed; forsake her, and let us go every one into his own land: for her judgment reaches unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the higher clouds. Jehovah has brought forth our justice; come, and let us recount in Zion the work of Jehovah our God. li. 8-10.”

      • Nick

        January 19, 2011 at 5:54 pm

      • Nick, I appreciate the sentiment expressed in your wanting to “save me” from the religionist madmen populating this age of the great darkness. This unrighteous steward is gifted as the world’s leading theologian of the Writings of Emanuel Swedenborg (166-1772) revealing the literal and spiritual meaning of the Word. You’re right, they are all whacked. But, that’s not me. For now being revealed in the Second Coming of Jesus the Anointed (with cannabis) in the True Christian Religion (religion of the anointed Ones with cannabis);
        http://www.universalorthodox.org/John_the_Baptist_cave_images_with_explainations.htm

        Papa’s Got a Brand New Bag!

      • My apologies for my ignorance but, it don’t really understand your response. And I’m not sure why you’ve attached a file with a dancing wife beater or one about some fool in a cave. In the same spirit of the religiously misguided check this out…Its just about as convincing!
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin

        I know its lauded by a different ‘club’ but, its just about as convincing to me. I really don’t mean to offend but, the British are a little less god fearing or gullible than you guys state side. If you can debunk (using fact rather than ‘Faith’) the theory that religion is the route of all evil then good on you but bringing your god into a debate based on government law/prohibition is, to me anyway, laughable. Men kill ever day in the name of god ..every day.

        Nick

        January 19, 2011 at 8:13 pm

      • Reverend, I do not wish to be rude to you or disrespectful but as regards the comments on my previous article you suffered from a severe sense of humour failure.

        I don’t buy your conspiracy theory about ethyl glycol. I think it’s ridiculous. In fact, I almost never believe conspiracy theories. All my experience of life is that amongst fallible human beings, cock-up is the usual explanation rather than fanciful and rather silly conspiracy theories.

        I believe in God as a supreme intelligence, a collective consciousness which is inherently good and benevolent and which we are all part of. As far as ancient writings, which have been translated, corrupted, translated and probably corrupted again, trying to assign such meanings to them is utterly ludicrous and I can’t take you seriously. The way you try to make these words mean what you want is absurd. It’s more like the word of Les Dawson than the word of God!

        I agree with you entirely that “..people are going to prison everyday and having their lives ruined by these draconian cannabis laws is hardly “trivial”.” As I have written many times, I believe that prohibition is fundamentally immoral.

        So, while we are in complete agreement on the essence of this issue, I’m afraid I can’t agree with or support your methods. I do wish you the best though and thank you for your contribution.

        Peter Reynolds

        January 19, 2011 at 7:22 pm

      • Peter, this was brought forward by a brother in the cannabis sacrament movement. My intention here was to alert you to what I considered to be an important element in Sativex and related a story without checking the facts. The facts are now known and quoted here. There was never a claim here of pushing religion but alerting you to the fact that the religion of the anointed Ones (Christianity) is fundamentally cannabis based in practice. So if any religionist makes claims of ‘Weed is akin to supping milk from the Devils teats’ Let them know they are anti anointed or anti-christ.

        Brother Gregory,

        I have found a citation. Read the section titled “Nabiximols or Hash Oil? ” found here:

        http://www.denverlawreview.org/medical-marijuana/2010/8/23/cannabis-a-commonwealth-medicinal-plant-long-suppressed-now.html#_ftn29

        Once the ethanol is added, the mixture is cooled to minus twenty degrees Celsius for approximately two days. The waxy precipitate is removed by filtration through a twenty micron membrane (which, for perspective, is approximately 100 times the pore-size of a household HEPA vacuum filter) and activated charcoal (which helps to preserve shelf-life). Finally, the extract is dissolved in propylene glycol, a clear, faintly sweet, viscous liquid. When this entire extraction process, from start to finish, is performed in parallel starting with cannabis of two different strain types, one with high THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) content and the other with high CBD (cannabidiol) content, the two resulting extracts are mixed together in a one-to-one ratio, a bit of peppermint flavor is added, and voilà, Sativex® is created.

        The patent Application is also given as a link in that article:

        http://www.google.com/patents/download/7344736_Extraction_of_pharmaceutically_a.pdf?id=1N2oAAAAEBAJ&output=pdf&sig=ACfU3U0toN40EOzWpm-Gotsc81_6oZOd_Q.

        Brother Dan may have confused “Ethyl alcohol” and “propalyne glycol” into “ethyl glycol” (or that mistake may have been made by the commetator you referenced).

        Still, Wikipedia has this to say about the Human Safety of Propalyne Glycol:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol
        The acute oral toxicity of propylene glycol is very low, and large quantities are required to cause perceptible health damage in humans; propylene glycol is metabolized in the human body into pyruvic acid (a normal part of the glucose-metabolism process, readily converted to energy), acetic acid (handled by ethanol-metabolism), lactic acid (a normal acid generally abundant during digestion),[9] and propionaldehyde.[10][11] Serious toxicity generally occurs only at plasma concentrations over 1 g/L, which requires extremely high intake over a relatively short period of time.[12] It would be nearly impossible to reach toxic levels by consuming foods or supplements, which contain at most 1 g/kg of PG. Cases of propylene glycol poisoning are usually related to either inappropriate intravenous administration or accidental ingestion of large quantities by children.[13] The potential for long-term oral toxicity is also low. In one study, rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG in feed over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects.[14] Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol was classified by the U. S. Food and Drug Administration as “generally recognized as safe” (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive.

        So yes, it’s a poison, but at low doses the FDA has approved it for use. I still wouldn’t want to be forced by the market to take anything with that substance without being aware of it. The Wiki article also goes on to mention Allergic reactions in some patients (and sites a Swiss study of it’s effects on allergies in children).

        I’ve found a website that lists common uses:
        http://chemindustry.ru/1,2-Propanediol.php

        Uses.

        as a moisturizer to maintain moisture in medicines, cosmetics, food, and tobacco products; as a flavoring agent in Angostura and Orange bitters; as a solvent for food colors and flavourings; as a humectant food additive, labeled as E number E1520; as a carrier in fragrance oils; as a food grade antifreeze; in smoke machines to make artificial smoke for use in firefighters training and theatrical productions; in hand sanitizers, antibacterial lotions, and saline solutions as a main ingredient in many cosmetic products, including baby wipes, bubble baths, and shampoos as the primary ingredient in the “Paint” inside a Paintball; as a base ingredient in aircraft deicing fluid and some automobile antifreezes;
        in cryonics;

        So, yeah. Antifreeze, but not the normal “car antifreeze”.

        Hope you find this information Useful.

        Namaste’
        Telarus, KSC


      • Time Index 1:53
        Dr Philip Robson (GW Pharmaceuticals)
        Quote “& then it ends up in here, spinning down at 60 degrees, where all the ethanol evaporates away”.

        mFuk

        January 19, 2011 at 7:29 pm

      • Ok, this conversation is “spinning down . . .” The point here is clear. A poison was added to a natural compound to obtain the license to quote Dan Quintance who claims to have read the Patent. I have not read the Patent but have no reason to doubt the man. mFuk has not read the Patent, Peter Reynolds has not read the Patent and both do not accept my quote of this man of religion that is not able to defend himself. Or, deny my claim to relate what was told me.

        Properly investigating the Patent made here is the method to determine fact from “conspiracy theory” that seemingly, Peter, you find disagreeable. Or, a means to defame me or Dan Quintance without bother of investigating the facts. I have subscribed to this list and intend to investigate this issue and post the results here.

  12. This is a pivotal moment! Only time will tell if Brokendick and his crew of non believers will actually do the right thing for once?? Its going to be real hard for them to admit their fallibility and backtrack as it will weaken their credibility in the eye’s of their fearful followers.
    I suspect those above who suggest a torrent of ‘Weed is akin to supping milk from the Devils teats’ is soon to follow. Again, we pin hope on the honour of those who, previously, have proved that no such quality exists among their throng.
    Lovin Santana Peter!

    Nick

    January 19, 2011 at 2:32 pm

  13. What do you reckon… Brokenshire et al will claim that Sativex is ‘different’ to street Cannabis as it is properly controlled/regulated and therefore safer (whilst still claiming hugely damaging side effects/reefer madness).. all the while not realising he’s making a case for legalisation and regulation?

    Jake

    January 19, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    • The real issue here is consistency of dosing and THC/CBD ratios. (Prof. Iversen has said this to me in person).

      What we need to be concerned with is providing properly regulated, consistent product of known content – such as Bedrocan BV’s products for example.

      This is the last real objection that there is to medicinal herbal cananbis

      Peter Reynolds

      January 19, 2011 at 7:33 pm

      • But if cannabis was regulated the THC, CBD & CBN levels would be published so people would know the strenght. Most seedbanks already list these figures & potential yields to entice you to buy from them. Provided they were standardised and verified it would be simple to have herbal cannabis with a consistent THC/CBD ratio & therefore be able to calculate the dosage required.

        Even with Sativex it’s hit & miss on the dosage (if you read the cautions some of the side effects are the same as being stoned or pulling a whitey) the only thing is every bottle is the same strength.

        With prohibition this can never occur with herbal cannabis unless you are prepared to risk growing your own & that opens a different huge can-o-worms.

        Mr Bimble

        January 19, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    • Circular reasoning Jake.

      Cannabis is dangerous because it is illegal and uncontrolled and is illegal and uncontrolled because it is dangerous.

      Don’t think that’ll stop them, mere logical fallacy won’t dissuade the home office from pushing a policy which suits their ends.

      Ed

      January 20, 2011 at 9:45 am

  14. Is it just me, and far be it for me to churlishly speculate, but anyone getting the small feeling the ACMD are – rightly so – exposing this for what it is? A sham?

    That aside, I do wish GW the best, I have come to regard them as very relevant to the discussion and progress of the issue at hand. I also hope the Sativex will now be available given that the UK have been withholding to a large degree.

    • From Prof. Iverson’s letter “The ACMD would welcome being consulted further on any draft legislation.”. Doesn’t that just say it all…. However, if its put in schedule 4 it would be a big thing!

      Jake

      January 19, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    • You may well be right Jason. Note Prof. Iversen has today been reappointed as chair of the ACMD.

      The same Prof. Iversen whose article in The Times in 2000 was headlined “Cannabis. Why It’s Safe”.

      The same Prof. Iversen who delivered a lecture last month entitled “Bringing Cannabis Back Into the Medicine Cabinet”.

      The same Prof. Iversen who is a founding council member of the British Medicinal Cannabis Register.

      Peter Reynolds

      January 19, 2011 at 7:29 pm

      • Good lord ! This is pretty big. Lets see what the Mail has to say on this.

        Nick

        January 19, 2011 at 7:40 pm

  15. The only downside is the government (whoever is in power) won’t listen and will spout the usual “sending the wrong message” tripe and fear the wrath of the “Daily Fail” should they do anything sensible with cannabis or any other drug.

    They can’t even admit that alcohol is more dangerous that cannabis “because its not the same as an illegal drug”.

    BTW : I wonder if the Rev. is a friend of “government helper” on the yourfreedom website.

    Also wasn’t the Sativex argument disscussed at length on the cannabis threads on YF, I know I’d posted a large slice of text lifted from the GW website into at least one thread.

    With the government changing the rules for the ACMD doesn’t that negate anything positive Prof. Iversen might have to say about any drugs.

    Call me pessamistic but with the propaganda of BBC3’s How drugs work – cannabis you can almost sence some sneaky underhand political reefer madness priming going on.

    Mr Bimble

    January 19, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    • I do know what you mean but, the fact that they have given him the post back suggests, unless he’s been brain washed or gagged, that we might be seeing the government repositioning themselves with a scientific lead.

      Nick

      January 19, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    • I be a friend indeed, to those in need, in the land of the pee and home of the knave.

  16. Peter,

    On a sideways note . . .

    Plans allowing Britons to obtain medical treatment elsewhere in Europe – and other EU citizens to seek it in the UK – have been passed by Euro-MPs.

    Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8269939/Britons-can-obtain-medical-treatment-across-EU.html

    On reading this Bedrocan suddenly sprung to mind !

    Cupid Stunt

    January 19, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    • Haha so even if the Home Office tries to interfere/ignore the Schengen agreement about patients buying and bringing back their own medicine, patients can go over to Holland and get the NHS to pay for it instead!!

      What happened with the Schengen agreement clarification in the end as the H.O said it was then wasn’t legal… has a final and legal clarification been made?

      Jake

      January 19, 2011 at 8:35 pm

  17. Hi Cupid, up until about 18 moths ago I worked alongside a number of oversea’s hospitals and medical facilitators focused on this very ‘industry’. I think the sticking point is that, up until then at least, it was all about offering patients choice however, in order to gain the sign off from your GP to receive treatment abroad you must be able to demonstrate that you are suffering due to a lack provision in the UK..i.e long waiting lists etc. Or, and this may be the opportunity, that a facilitator in a member state, offers a better alternative treatment with better success rates than those of the UK. eg. The uk generally offers one type of hip replacement on the NHS. The reason being that the op is quick and the surgeons can perform many so, going to Germany and getting a top of the line ceramic joint(which lasts a life time) offers a demonstrably, better proposition for the patient. The key factor remains that you need your GP or NHS trust to sanction any treatment that is then redeemable. I suspect it will be very hard to gain this sign off.

    Nick

    January 19, 2011 at 8:46 pm

  18. NZ politicians are facing exactly the same thing now… I just got this passed on to me

    “The latest Pharmaceutical Schedule, January 2011 from Pharmac / MOH has just been sent to me with a query as to why Sativex has been excluded”

    Sativex was officially Gazetted here October last year, without a mention in the media. Now that.

    paula

    January 19, 2011 at 10:45 pm

  19. Yes indeed. Although in the land of the long white cloud the fight seems to be advancing well with Chris Fowley and Dakta Green. Simon Powers is our little Jimmy Brokendick down there…

    I am sure Jimmy will slime his way out of this again bad mouthing the herb in the name of his own political power and hate for freedom. What a good man!

    Architect

    January 20, 2011 at 6:20 pm

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    Milestone

    January 25, 2011 at 11:59 pm

  21. You can trust Mr Brokenshire will prove to be an honourable man, but he’s a politician so you can bet your bottom dollar he won’t.

    Chris

    January 26, 2011 at 3:29 pm

  22. Having looked again at the GW website, there is seemingly another issue to consider, the genetic manipulation of the Cannabis Plants GW are undertaking. Their website shows how they produce genetically selected cannabis plants that produce precise cannabinoid levels. Someone smarter than me may be able to better interpret the information GW provide, and whether the Cannabis Plants GW grow for Sativex contains the other naturally occurring cannabinoids, and in what quanites.

    http://www.gwpharm.com/cultivation.aspx

    This probably doesn’t solve the home office’s rescheduling problems, as the plant GW use is still a cannabis plant. Although I fear will the Home Office will reschedule this genetically selected version of cannabis – they will no doubt attempt to find some way of legitimising Sativex whilst continuing to unjustly criminalise Cannabis.

    On a more recreational note, I think this book is well worth a read (albeit even just the summary link attached).

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=xpZhjBuDkuwC&oi=fnd&pg=PA149&dq=Gable,+R.+S.+%282006%29.+Acute+toxicity+of+drugs+versus+regulatory+status&ots=YHOduTTv3f&sig=ekXuVllM4jz1qbupoAj4_YFN400#v=onepage&q&f=false

    The Drug harm table certainly reinforces Prof Nutt’s similar table, and only further demonstrates the continued absurdity of the UK ‘Drug’ Policy.

    Careful with your Espresso’s…

    Bob

    January 27, 2011 at 12:43 am

  23. I suspect what we will see here is The Home Office dragging this out for as long as they can to avoid making a decision on this.

    Some wag may then come up with a formula so they can wriggle out ot it – or rather make a statement that wont stand up to scrutiny, but hey – the scrutiny wont be coming from the majority of the population, but just from us interested in the Drug Policy Reform Movement.

    Rory

    January 31, 2011 at 3:49 pm

  24. if its any help GW selected the white rhino strain from greenhouse seeds to produce all their clones for marketed cannabis products , last count of cannabinoids for that medical strain was at 136, 10 more than when GW started cloning it , unusaly high in cbv, White Rhino was the second prize winner of BIO HTCC in 1996

    boss

    March 3, 2011 at 2:05 pm

  25. […] Council On the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) has recommended that it be placed in schedule 4.  See here for the full […]

  26. ” Unlike ethylene glycol, propylene glycol is of very low toxicity. Both are readily biodegradable. “

    samantharella

    November 6, 2011 at 11:05 am

  27. This is the latest in a long list of letters & emails to the Home Office / Brockenshire / May / Harman Earl Howe etc. on this issue. This is to Baroness Browning Minister for crime and anti social behaviour! Her full title is a bit longer (Baroness Browning Minister for crime prevention and anti social behaviour reduction) but her shorter one seems more fitting! please follow the link below.

    http://www.hydroponica.co.uk/ekmps/shops/applewoods/resources/Other/dear-baroness-browning.doc

    Philip Walsh

    November 6, 2011 at 5:31 pm

  28. I havnt read all the comments Peter but can we all know that the rat known as James Brokenshire will try some way to move sativex to 4 and leave herbal cannabis at 1 , can we depend on the ACMD to step in if he does try something like this ?

    Token Ma Weed

    November 7, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    • The ACMD has no power at all. All it can do is advise and ministers ignore it as it suits them,

      Peter Reynolds

      November 10, 2011 at 7:26 pm

  29. Thanks for the reply Peter .

    Token Ma Weed

    November 9, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    • I’ve been in South Wales on the Cannabis Truth roadshow from Monday morning until this evening. Sorry not to respond earlier.

      Peter Reynolds

      November 10, 2011 at 7:27 pm

  30. Does anyone know whether a patient could be charged with possession of cannabis if they are found with say 6 Sativex sprays.

    Malcolm VandenBurg

    November 9, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    • If you had a prescription from your doctor id say no but you never know these days they would probably try and charge you even if the bottles were empty .

      stevester8308

      November 10, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    • AS I understand it, the Home Office has issued an “open general licence” for Sativex but I guess if it hadn’t been properly prescribed or dispensed then it would be outside the terms of the licence and a schedule 1 drug!

      Peter Reynolds

      November 10, 2011 at 7:25 pm

      • a Cannabis Truth roadshow sounds good, i hopeit was fruitful 🙂

        GE Pharma will be happy about that “open general licence” .. i believe an application to import it into New Zealand is already on a desk here somewhere.

        “OGLs allow for the export of specified controlled items by any exporter provided the shipment and destinations are eligible. Exporters must also adhere with the specified conditions and keep appropriate records. It is the exporter’s responsibility to comply and check on the licence requirements before use and to keep updated with any changes.”
        http://www.bis.gov.uk/policies/export-control-organisation/eco-summary-guidance/open-general-licences

        paula lambert

        November 10, 2011 at 7:46 pm

  31. Sativex, Bedrocan and god knows how many more legalised dealers we will see in the coming years. 🙂 Fuck these people right off, grow weed not buy it 😉

    MedicalCannabis Spain

    November 10, 2011 at 12:46 am


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